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thank you very much my name is Kenny

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Arnett

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that's my official name on the screen

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and the transpersonal Institute for the

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scientific study of the paranormal was

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the longest nickname I could think of

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for myself in fact I am the only member

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of the Institute at this point and

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proudly so and I am on a quest for

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like-minded people to join me so I'm

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fully aware that there may be no

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like-minded people but if you find

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yourself to be like-minded and would

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like to collaborate or interact with me

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in any way please feel free to contact

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me at my email address at the bottom of

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the screen it's also in your program and

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my laser pointer is red and small it's

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not like marks which was big and green

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so mark has a bigger pointer than I do

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but size doesn't matter by the way I

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have two PhDs one is in physical

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chemistry and the second one in clinical

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psychology and in the program one of

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those has been removed from me so I

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fully expect since consciousness

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determines reality when I return home

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one of my diplomas will be missing

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however I point that out because I'm

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going to incorporate some of these ideas

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later I want you to know what my

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background is so without further ado

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Lenny said you're out how to how do you

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mark how do I do a page down

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I'm sorry I did this inward rather than

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PowerPoint I speak PowerPoint poorly

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okay okay yeah thank you so I'm going to

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start with what I call my version of the

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standard model particle physicists use a

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different model for what they call the

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standard model but the standard model

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for me is what were the basic elements

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of everything we know about for

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classical physics and those four

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elements were energy matter space and

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time relativity from Einstein showed us

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that matter and energy could be united

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in fact matter was an altered form of

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energy and that we should really

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properly use the term matter energy to

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describe the commingling of the two

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furthermore whoops yeah this is gonna be

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a little tricky till I can get in space

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space in space and time can also be

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united on the same screen

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at the same time into space time under

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general relativity and that is a

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four-dimensional construct further the

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most recent theory of everything the

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major contender for that title at the

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moment string theory suggests that

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perhaps matter energy and space-time can

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further be reduced to simply energy and

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everything is energy in one form or

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another I'm aware that there is at least

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one person unless New York Dobyns there

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you are there's at least one person in

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this room that does not like string

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theory and that's okay I just want to

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make you aware that it's possible it's

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conceivable that we could unite

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space-time energy and matter all into

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energy I'm not going to be satisfied

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with that however that didn't work I'm

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not satisfied with my own program part

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the origin of consciousness as it stands

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now that is among non heretics I am a

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heretic energy is the basis of

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everything and therefore people in

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consciousness studies have tried to

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energy and the general flow of the idea

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component of everything matter is

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constructed from energy as Einstein

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matter and perhaps matter in cooperation

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reducible to matter and therefore to

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energy I have a problem with that idea I

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don't believe that's right but here are

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some points that the standard model will

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brains and computers are sufficiently

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complex forms of matter with energy to

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physics or see the combination of the

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training and experience in both

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the two explains quote-unquote

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consciousness however I do think that

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consciousness interacts with the brain

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with the physical universe on a quantum

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level so I I do

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which I admire tremendously I think that

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that is just really important stuff and

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I'm not pooh-poohing it here I'm really

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on pooh-poohing someone who isn't here

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Stuart Hameroff if anyone knows that

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name and his theory of microtubules and

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consciousness I don't think that's right

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philosopher of mind has refined

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consciousness studies to what he calls

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of sensory information exist at all in

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consciousness I use all those terms

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freezing the ice cubes I don't think my

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computer knows that I'm upset with it

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physical brain operates without any

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Chalmers says this is the hard problem

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problems are the easy problems and you

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think that there aren't any really easy

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problems except for the hard problem I

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think it's the easiest problem of all

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of the universe it is not reducible to

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two I agree with him on that but there's

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a but whoops

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I missed the button but the physical

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consciousness is reducible to matter and

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reverse it is the least tangible and

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generation it appears to be impossible

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important anomalies that we can deal

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matter and energy or the brain my answer

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hard because it's the wrong question

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intuitive sense the standard model has

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wrong we should begin with the most

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ephemeral and end with the least and we

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compact form here I've just said what I

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just said and again the energy is

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usually defined as the ability to do

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work but this is not a good definition

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it's a property on an ability an aspect

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conservation of energy is a very

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abstract idea not a description of a

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mechanism or anything concrete just a

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strange fact and if conservation of

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energy is a strange weird fact energy

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don't really know what energy is it's

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just that that's where physics stops in

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explaining things an alternative

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viewpoint substance I'll define

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substance is anything that can that has

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an independent ontological status it can

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exist independently of anything else

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this is best seen as a type of thing so

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matter is a substance energy is a

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consciousness is also a substance and

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hypothesis is that energy is a highly

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as matter is a highly concentrated form

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of energy in other words consciousness

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it in a form that may bring back

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to matter that's my idea of a hierarchy

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of substances consciousness is the

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primary substance all else is built from

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but I hint here there are others there

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of socialists then would be the primary

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substances consciousness itself I give

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it a capital C for a symbol energy is a

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function in some sense of consciousness

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I hold out the possibility that you

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could actually write down a functional

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definition of energy from basic

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constitutive consciousness I don't know

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what that function is I'm not going to

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pretend I do I also don't know that it

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can be done but I'm holding out the

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possibility and the tertiary substance

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as we if we accept string theory for the

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moment is strings strings are made of

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energy and in the case of matter we have

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Einstein's equation reversed M equals E

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times C to the minus 2 strings come in

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two types these are very tiny strands of

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energy open-ended strings are photons

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and matter closed loop strings I can't

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say about anything about it because I'm

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out of time but that's where some of the

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real interesting stuff happens and so

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this is the order of things the

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hierarchy of things the nature of things

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as I see it if we take this as the way

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things are then I think this hierarchy

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is logical because it's in the order of

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increasing tangibility decreasing

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ephemerality is that a word it's easier

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for me at least to envision a

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constitutive energy a consciousness

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relationship than some way in which

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matter could produce consciousness

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consciousness is thus the primordial

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substance some of its properties include

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self-awareness subjectivity and

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irreducibility and then finally

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consciousness condenses into energy

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losing its self-aware properties if

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there are any left when it condenses

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when energy condenses into matter there

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is none left

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so energy and matter are not conscious

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themselves but they're composed of it

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and they exist independently of it once

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they're created in the view of this

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hypothesis the death-related anomalies

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aren't really no longer anomalies

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sulla visa hard problem I would take a

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minute to talk about how this compares

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with some famous philosophical positions

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but I don't have time I would take time

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to talk about the problems with this

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approach but oops I'm out of time so

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thank you very much for your attention

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there's time for a few questions maybe

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I'll start with one so you and and the

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other speakers in this session

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it sounds like agree that really

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subjectivity and consciousness are the

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basis for everything so what is the

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cosmological view then does that mean

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that there was nothing before there was

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could you start with some hard questions

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in my view there was never a time before

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consciousness existed consciousness is

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eternal always was always will be that's

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maybe punting but it's the best I can do

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and the rest of your question was what

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okay that was a nice elegant answer for

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a hard question

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so my hard question is what do you think

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is the mechanism of condensation of

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consciousness does it have anything to

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do with physical laws that we know how

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and does it have anything to do with

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black holes in the mechanism that they

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condense into singularities Glenn boy I

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was expecting most of these questions

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and I can't answer most of these

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questions I I physics cannot tell us how

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energy condenses into matter physics

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just tells us that it does likewise I

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cannot tell you how consciousness

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condenses into energy I just believe

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that it does I cannot devise an

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experiment that shows that it does I

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think in the physical world those

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questions lie beyond our ability to

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comprehend again I'm planting because I

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literally don't know

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even how to approach answering the

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question it's a great question is one

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I've contemplated often deeply and come

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up with nothing so it's the perfect

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question thank you yes ma'am

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I would like to ask your comments on the

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adaptation of your theory to energy as

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energy medicine which is my field of

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endeavor because most energy medicine

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practitioners and leaders in the field

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believe that there is a consciousness

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within various forms of energy

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modalities it actually derives the

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energy to know what to do it's a very

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simple way of explaining it so that

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energy and consciousness are actually

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wondering the same thing in a lot of

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forms of energy therapies your comments

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on that I'm familiar with some of those

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areas although I'm not an expert I think

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that consciousness directs the energy I

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don't think that the energy the the

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consciousness resides within the energy

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I don't think the energy is conscious I

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think in consciousness directs it I

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refer you to dr. Raiden for examples

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experimental examples of how that works

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you see one of my huge fans - yeah yeah

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he's got a much better handle on that

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than I do but I don't believe that

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energy is inherently conscious even

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though it's composed of consciousness

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once it's created its unconscious kind

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of like me thank you thanks for a very

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fascinating presentation consciousness

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drives the energy I do agree so my

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question is why not divide in your model

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the building blocks and the four C's

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information energy mass consciousness

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field force why not

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I hate to answer a question with a

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question

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that that I think you've gone way beyond

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me there we probably need to talk about

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that thank you once again thank you